Playing with Fire – notes from last nights CIBSE CPD session
February 23, 2012 Leave a Comment
First things first – I’d just like to point out that I’m a Recruitment Consultant who has been recruiting within the building services field for nearly 14 years with a strong interest in the discipline, industry as a whole and engineering in general amongst many other things. I am not a professional note taker and the following may be lightweight for any industry professionals reading it, particularly if you are fire specialists, or even inaccurate for which I apologise! On the other hand, I hope that it gives you a flavour for the discussion that intertwined the presentation and I’ve also added some resources that you may find useful at the bottom. Disclaimer over…
The title was Playing with Fire – Best Practice for Fire and Smoke Installation and presented by David Fitzpatrick and Terry Sweet from Ruskin Air Management.
The format was essentially a presentation with discussion around the points; the fact that there was an audience of 10 made this work really well with David and Terry happily answering questions and discussing points throughout.
The focus was on why DW/145 been published and who should use it which in short is a response to the ambiguity that has existed around responsibility for fire damping, to bring in a change to testing procedures to take in to account the installation circumstances, not just of the damper itself and to highlight the importance of communication throughout the build process. An interesting aspect is that it also places responsibility for maintenance on the building owner/occupier too.
Interesting points here are that there is going to be a requirement for all dampers to be CE marked in 2013, anticipated for July with there being an unanswered question about use of dampers which have been held in stock from before this date.
There is also expected to be a move for “installers” to become “placers” taking instructions from the client, clearly putting a line in the sand whose responsibility it is for the design and specification of the dampers and their locations.
From a point of view of testing, the manufacturers are having to test each damper that they see in each type of material that it will be mounted such as brickwork etc. as opposed to the usual metal frame. This test must be carried out with it in the vertical position and horizontal position at a cost of £10000 each. As you can imagine this is a significant investment for the manufacturers, but as David and Terry pointed out, as a company they have learnt a lot from it. They also flagged up that it is worth checking if the manufacturer you are looking to use has tested the dampers you are considering in each position as it is possible that not every manufacturer will carry out each of the tests.
Traditionally Ruskins have sold 50% of their dampers without frames, but this is likely to stop as the frame has obviously been tested and passed as opposed to just the damper itself.
A key point to note is that if someone wants to use a damper in a scenario different to that to which it has been tested, they should speak to the manufacturer prior to installation so the manufacturer can advise appropriately and do research. If they are approached after installation, the response is highly likely to be along the lines of “Sorry, but I can’t help”.
A quick point is that consultants are going to have to update their standard specifications to reflect the changes in the regulations; apparently some are still making reference to standards in the previous requirements, not even the current ones!
Looking at longer term aspects and maintenance, there was a lot of discussion about this with several examples cited of surveys being carried out on existing installations, but the FM having concerns about the cost implications or just how it can be carried out. The question of who is best placed to do the work was raised and the requirement for a competent person could lead to new certification/training courses being launched/needed to give end users confidence that they are in fact hiring just that, a competent person. Interestingly, insurers are were identified as being drivers for this initially.
As I said at the start, this is just a few points that I scribbled down during the talk; it is certainly not exhaustive by any means.
The presentation is going to be made available on the CIBSE Yorkshire website – http://www.cibseyorkshire.org
While there is further information on Ruskin’s website – http://www.ruskinuk.co.uk/
The Info4Fire newsletter was also mentioned as being of interest, you can subscribe/read more here – http://www.info4fire.com
If you want to know about future CIBSE CPD events, including those of the Young Engineers Network – http://www.cibseyorkshire.org/Technical-Events.aspx
While if you are on Twitter, it is worth following @cibseyorkshire where Derek post’s updates/reminders about events and other items of interest. I also tend to tweet about them a day or too before on @CalibreSimon
Overall, a good event, and even to me as a relative layman, the DW/145 is going to create a massive shake up within the sector with the possibility of fake CE marked goods, increased need for CDM Coordination while the maintenance/responsibility/knowledge aspects have the potential to repeat the outcomes of the Legionella outbreak in Barrow in Furness.
If you want to get involved with the CIBSE CPD events, the next one is going to be on the 21st March at the Rose Bowl in Leeds looking at “Solar thermal integration with commercial buildings” with a presentation by Lochinvar; hope to see you there!






